I post this interview on my blog because it is full of wonderful and exciting information from our beautiful divine Mother, look here for the link http://the2012scenario.com/2012/10/the-divine-mother-come-to-me-as-i-come-to-you-part-12/:
Steve Beckow: The Divine Mother has presented us with a sumptuous banquet of teachings on the nature of Reality (that is, the Trinity and the Trimurthy), President Obama’s true situation, the Divine Plan for Ascension, the level of enlightenment corresponding to Ascension, and many other matters unknown to us and difficult to discover. Thanks to Ellen for this quick turnaround. Enjoy, enjoy!
An Hour with an Angel, October 15, 2012, with the Divine Mother
Graham Dewyea: Hello, and welcome to An Hour with an Angel with Linda Dillon, the channel for the Council of Love and author ofThe Great Awakening and Steve Beckow of the 2012 Scenario. I’m Graham Dewyea.
It’s a pleasure to be with you all. Our guest today is the Universal Mother. So, with that, I’ll pass it on to you, Steve.
Steve Beckow: Thanks, Graham. And before we begin, Linda, I think you have a few workmen at your house, and there may be a little bit of background noise. Are you okay with that?
Linda Dillon: Yes, I’m okay with that. It’s just that I think I’ll have to go a little further out…
SB: Okay, well, we’ll give you a moment to go a little further out. I’ll just say a few things about the Divine Mother for our listeners.
We’re graced to have the Divine Mother’s presence today. I believe her to be and talk about her as the Universal Mother. I’ve asked for an extra half hour because I wanted to see if we could assist others to know about the Divine Mother’s nature.
So, thank you for coming, Mother.
Divine Mother: Greetings. I am the Mother.
SB: Thank you. Many of our listeners don’t know who it is I’m speaking to — not really. They may sense that you exist, but they know nothing of your nature. And by saying that we have a Divine Mother they probably suspect that I’m implying that we have a Heavenly Father as well. But they don’t know what makes you different, even though of course you are also the same.
Of you, Lao-tzu said, “Nameless indeed is the source of creation. But things have a mother, and she has a name.” Could you help us by saying what unites and separates you from the Father, please?
DM: What unites and separates us from what you think of as the Father and Mother is simply energy and love. It is a differentiation that we have decided upon — well, chosen, created — long, long ago, outside of time, outside of what you even conceive of as creation. It is the ability to move in and out of form. It is the ability to create and to co-create. It is the ability to be silent and to be of sound, of vibration, of movement, of sweetness.
If you were to think of the Father in terms of what you will come to understand, you would think of the Father as complete stillness, still point. And in fact so often when we urge you to go to that place it is that union that you are seeking with the Heavenly Father, with that complete sense of simply being.
I am the creative force throughout this universe, throughout the multiverse, the omniverse, but we source each other. We source each other’s energies and we move as one and yet separate and distinct.
And you say, “Well, Mother, how can this be?” And I would say back to you, “How can this not be?” For it is that perfect balance. It is the way in which we bring forth plans, discoveries, creations, universes, galaxies, humans. It is the way in which you come to know and to have an experience of One, and with me and through me, of the One as well.
So that is the explanation I offer you.
SB: Thank you, Mother. You’ve anticipated some of my questions.
The Father is the stillness, and you are movement. I think Jesus once said that to his disciples. (1) And the Father does not speak, if I am correct. But you are the Voice in the Silence, the Voice of one crying in the wilderness, as the Father is metaphorically represented as being. Is that correct?
DM: It is correct in your understanding and at this time. Now, that does not mean that differences cannot be experienced and created, and ways in which for you to experience the Heavenly Father be brought forward. But yes, your assumption and your understanding are correct.
SB: Is it also correct to say that you’re as close to the Father as one could get in terms of realization without losing consciousness of the world?
DM: I exist, and I only use that word because it is a word that you understand. I exist in and of and beyond your world or any world. And you can think of it as existing in different realms or realities. So, am I unified? What you call as close to the Father as can be? Yes, I am.
SB: All right.
DM: But I am also with you as well. So I literally bridge the realities.
SB: And if were to add to you and the Father the Father’s light embedded in the body that you created, then we would have the Third member of the Trinity, would we not, the child of God?
DM: Yes. That is correct.
SB: So that is the Trinity. Now, you’re known to all religions, and I know that you’ve said something else about this which I’ll get to in a moment. You’re known to all religions as the Holy Spirit, Shakti, Prakriti/Procreatrix, Aum/Amen, the Universal Creative Vibration.
You once said to me that Shakti, the Holy Spirit, was only a small part of you. Can you explain what you meant by that? Is Shakti only limited to a certain dimension, universe or realm?
DM: No. No. When I have spoken about this with Shakti, I have spoken about a part of me. As I have said, I am the bridge, I am the clasp between the Father and the universe and your world. And Shakti has been experienced — yes, inter-dimensionally for eons as you well know. But she is not the totality of my being. My being is bigger than you can fathom, dear one. So I do not simply mean that she is an aspect manifesting. But it is simply larger than any of you can imagine, particularly at this point.
SB: All right. Thank you.
DM: And as you shift, that understanding is also expanding. As you ascend that understanding and your capacity to have greater experience with and of me, and even of the Father, of the Trinity, of the One, will also expand.
So, is that not something to anticipate and to look forward to?
SB: Oh, yes. Is it correct on my part to say that Shakti is equivalent to the Holy Spirit?
DM: Yes. That would be a very good statement of clarity.
SB: All right. Thank you. So, with Ascension we will have a much more expanded experience of you and of the Father. Is that correct?
DM: Yes. That is correct. Now, it is hard — and I wish to make this straightforward, understandable, and yet I do not wish to simplify that which is unknowable – but as you go through this Ascension, as you go through this Shift, as you go through this portal, your capacity for understanding and experiences, and experience which is different than experiences, also grows. So your understanding, your state of beingness expands.
Now, each of you have been expanding enormously, oh, for years, but certainly at a very rapid rate within the last year. So yes, your reference points right now for your experience of me, and for that matter of the Father as well, and even of the Company of Heaven, is limited to some of your reference points in the Third dimension. And it is hard for you to transfer those into other realms because your touchstone, your experience of being in form, has been primarily — and I sayprimarily, not exclusively – in the Third realm, in the Third dimension, even within those twelve planes. (2)
So, understand this. The greatest gift not only to you but to us, to all of us, is that our connection, our unified being will be more closely aligned. Now, you have done a wonderful job. And when I say that I say that with full understanding that there is still much debris upon your planet to be cleansed. But I say this to you who are listening this night. My beloved ones, children of my heart, of my being, you have done a wondrous job of letting go of the old Third-dimensional paradigm.
You have cleansed at levels that have been unknown in thousands and thousands and thousands of years. And often you will turn to me and you say, “Mother, this is not happening fast enough.” And I look at you, I observe you, I smile. And I think, and I say unto thee, “You have done work of thousands of years in a very brief period of time.”
So, are you anxious to move forward? Yes. But do not underestimate what you have already accomplished.
SB: Thank you, Mother. I have two questions that are a little bit difficult, but if there are any difficulties I’ll explain them to readers on the 2012 Scenario site. The first is so far we’ve been talking about the Formless Transcendental Father, and yet the termFather is also used to refer to not only the Formless Father but the Father in Form.
It’s very difficult to make this clear, I know, but oftentimes we’ve had Father Yahweh on Heavenly Blessings. Can you explain to us the difference between Father Yahweh and the Formless Father, the Transcendental?
DM: When I have said to you that I am a bridge, that there is a part of me, a portion of me that is unknowable, that you still have no idea of, so it is with what you call the Heavenly Father.
Now, Yahweh is an expression that is available for the human beings to have a knowing and to have the clarification of some of this energy. Can we say the energy that you can experience? Because, dear heart, we do not give you the totality of our being because, well, you would fall over dead.
SB: [laugh] And fry the circuits of this network.
DM: That is correct! And so Yahweh comes so that there is a voice and an energy and a way in which the human collective can know that portion of the energy of the Father that is available to them at this time. So it is the highest vibration of that Father in form, as you would call it, although it is really without form, but the form that you can give it within your hearts, your minds, your energy fields. Does this explain?
SB: Yes, it does. I found that very helpful. I have a question for you from our Hindu readers. They want to know if thegunas, the cosmic forces which are calledrajas, sattwa, and tamas, are the same as the Trimurthy [Triad] of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.
DM: Yes. We are the same as that triad.
SB: All right. And the Trimurthy of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva is a subset of the Universal Creative Vibration that you are at your essence. Is that correct?
DM: That is correct. It [the Trimurthy] is much the same as we have been speaking of. It is a way in which my beloved children can come to know me and to have that experience. It is formless, and yet it is form. It is a way of connection, and it is a way of understanding and entering into a higher vibration of being. So it helps the emergence into my energy.
SB: Sort of like stair steps?
DM: That is correct.
DM: And you have all been climbing!
SB: [laugh] Thank you, Mother. Now, here’s the last difficult question. I promise I’ll make all these terms clear to the readers and listeners.
DM: I know you will, dear heart.
SB: Thank you, Mother.
DM: For you have the gift of clarity, and very often the gift to make the translation into understandable terms for my beloved ones.
SB: Thank you, Mother. The last question is I’m trying to understand what level of enlightenment Ascension corresponds to. And I think it’s beyond the normal seventh-chakra enlightenment. I think it is what is called — and I’ll make this clear to readers —sahaja samadhi. Am I correct?
DM: Yes, it is beyond what you think of with your seven chakras. It is beyond, because what you are doing with the chakra system, even with the thirteen, we have emerged from the Third-dimensional realm, which is that reference point for the chakra system, into the new. So yes, you are correct, in this question and in this statement.
SB: Sorry, I am overwhelmed to hear you say that. It’s wonderful to have that confirmed. Thank you very much, Mother.
DM: It is wonderful for us as well, you know!
SB: Is it? How so, Mother?
DM: As we move beyond what you think of in your realm as emotion, that does not mean that the pervasive love and joy is not felt as we participate, witness, move and assist and beckon you forward.
SB: Thank you for that. Now, you said that the experience, the enlightenment experience is beyond the 13 chakras, but you didn’t actually say yes or no to my question of whether this experience corresponds tosahaja samadhi.
SB: It does?
DM: That is correct.
SB: Oh, eureka! Thank you, Mother! I’m so happy to have that confirmed.
DM: Now, you understand that most people – and yes, you will do a good job of explaining – have no conception of what this really means.
SB: Well, you know that I have a website that discussessahaja samadhi at length. If I — and that’s from Sri Ramana Maharshi, more or less — if I take that material and present it to readers, would that be adequate?
DM: That will help.
SB: Could you refer us to other saints like Sri Ramana Maharshi who have explained this well.
DM: We do not want people reading hither and yon. This will be more than adequate.
SB: All right.
DM: And what we want you to do is simply allow the experience to occur and to expand. It is never an intellectual process regardless, dear one.
SB: Yes, of course. Well, why don’t we turn to the substance of the show in terms of contemporary events? I think people are very much wanting to hear from you your estimation of the soul called Barack Obama. Is he an evolved soul? Is he a vital part of the master plan for the Golden Age, or is he not?
DM: There are so many questions about leadership on your planet at this time. And yes, Barack Obama. There is a plan, as there is a plan for all. So, understand this, because what I do not wish you to infer is that there is a hierarchy. And you know I have been very emphatic about this.
But let us say, Barack Obama is an untarnished soul, and that is a rare thing. Now, that does not mean that he has not been influenced or had the human experience of the lower vibrations or the experience of misstepping or losing his way. But there has been an agreement that, like each of you — understand this — there has been an agreement about this incarnation and about the role that this one would play in the restoration, yes, and the Ascension and the anchoring of Nova Earth, and particularly in the restoration of hope, as I have defined it.
So, is he part of this plan? Absolutely. But do not place him either to the side and say, “Well, that is politics,” and therefore inconsequential. Do not place him on a shelf or an altar, because that would be incorrect as well. For this one stands with you, with each of you, as do many; but this one in particular.
So, is he a brother and what Michael would call a warrior? Yes. But so are you. Each of you. And many of you are learning, even now, as I speak to you this night, what that meaning is to be the warrior, to stand in the truth of your being and your knowing in alignment with me.
My beloved ones, I know, this has not always been straightforward or easy. And there is not one of you that has not at one moment had a shadow of doubt or a hint of despair — not one of you! And of course that is because you have been shedding the old.
So also know that Barack Obama is also shedding the old and is emerging in a different way, as each of you are. But to dismiss this one and say that he is not part of my plan — well, dear ones, you might as well look in the mirror. None of you are dismissed. May you make choices of this gift from the Father and me, of free will, yes, but most of you have entered into this place of alignment, which, if you truly understand what I am saying to you, places you beyond that either/or duality, that polarity. There is only One, and that is alignment with love.
So it is beyond choice. That is the entirety of what you think of as this experience, and certainly the experience of Ascension. It is entering into the place of complete love. So what you do, and what you have done, so many of you already, you have eliminated that wordbut. And I am pleased to see that.
SB: Mother, I know there’s a lot of listeners who’d like me to ask you about Barack Obama’s past lives or where he comes from. But I’m not sure that that would be helpful for people who listen to this program without our background, so I’m passing over that kind of question. But I do want to know: Was Barack Obama born in Hawaii?
DM: Yes, that is correct. The difficulty that so many have…. Well, first of all, there has been a great deal of lower level vibration and interference and sabotage with this information. And that is part of what has led to confusion. Do not buy into that, dear heart.
So, yes, I confirm this, but I also say part of the difficulty that so many have had in pinning down the birth spot of this one is because this one emanates from a very high vibration.
You do not need to understand it; you need to accept this. And no, it would serve no purpose. And I will tell you why we do not discuss the planetary alignments that this one has or the past lives on Earth — which have been many and, yes, have prepared him well for this role.
The reason I choose not to discuss it in detail is because of each of you. So you would say, “Well, he has been thus,” or “He has been this person or that person,” or he is Pleiadian or Arcturian or Venusian. And then you would say, along with that, you have certain expectations. And then you also say, “Well, he has had a privileged past,” which is not the case. This one is fully a warrior.
And what it does is when you look at others that way, whether it is yourself and your listeners this night looking at you, Steve, or Barack, and they say, “Yes, but they have a greater understanding, and I am not quite there,” and, dear hearts, that is simply not so. You have come to this life and to this incarnation with our spark of eternal, infinite divinity. You have everything you need, even when you have had difficult circumstances, horrendous experiences.
Privileged upbringing? It matters not. Because this has been part and parcel of my plan and your plan within my plan. Have there been some detours and variations? Yes. That does not cancel or change the plan. We have infinite capacity to adjust, and adjust we have and we will.
SB: Thank you, Mother. Just before turning to the Plan a few questions down the line, was Barack Obama’s birth certificate doctored?
SB: So the accusations against Barack Obama that his birth certificate is false, they really do apply to the people who actually doctored the certificate to give rise to these suspicions. Is that true?
DM: That is correct.
(Continued in Part 2 http://the2012scenario.com/2012/10/the-divine-mother-come-to-me-as-i-come-to-you-part-22/.)